My sister and her family lived there for 20 years, on and off. And at Christmas, everyone goes home to their various corners of the globe, blagging lifts and sharing airmiles to get back to the people they love.
What this meant for me was that this enormous house (which is absolutely beautiful) was empty at Christmas. So, by and large, every Christmas my mum, my dad, my brother and me would travel to Sussex, where my sister and her husband (net income at the time: perhaps £3000 a year) and their family lived in a stately home, and have Christmas surrounded by wood-pannelling, eating what we could afford in the one room where the leather wallpaper had not been taken off the walls by the years of neglect.
It was a great place to read Agatha Christie. And PG Wodehouse.
Anyway, I mention this now because Mark Denton has just completed a photography project there (online here). The photos I've seen are very very good, and it's fascinating to see this place I'm so familiar with be photographed in the way it deserves.
He says the interest for him was in the existence of a 'fundamentalist evangelical Christian community' existing so close to where he lived - and of course when you describe it that way, it does sound a bit like Waco-in-the-woods, so if you weren't au fait with YWAM, you'd go and have a look, wouldn't you?
It's a little odd recognising some people in the photographs, and being a little afraid that they're being presented as lambs to an ideological slaughter. Described in the terms he uses, it sounds quite sinister. Because 'evangelical' and 'fundamentalist' have become, respectively, code words for 'right wing nutcase', and 'shoe-bomber', of course. And they've got run together because of a narrative coming mostly from the States, where some people tell other people that God hates them, and are taken seriously as representatives of Christianity worldwide.
I've never come across anyone in this country who would even consider acting in such a way, and I'm from that precise area of the Christian community. I've been part of Evangelicalism - arguing with it, usually - for 2 decades now. So I know that's not what gets said. The idea that evangelical equals hateful is an idea imported from the States, and it's not true here. There is no British Jerry Falwell, and I'm proud of that.
But Mark Denton clearly thinks the narrative's the same. I wonder why.
Although, in fairness, American culture has great influence in the UK, it's surely ridiculously bowdlerised to suggest that the cultures are the same. This holds true in all areas - British film has its own visual language and style, and Britain bloody invented American popular music. It's a two-way street, which some traffic doesn't even travel.
Similarly, though YWAM is an organisation begun in the states, it's not as though it's an empire. It's a loose collection of bases operating with a single aim, of helping people talk about Jesus. Base leaders have great autonomy. There isn't a hierarchy of baleful influence, wherein nice young chaps and chapesses are constantly having to fight off mouth-foaming preachers from Rifleshell, Texas, telling them to bomb abortion clinics because God hates death.
I know this particularly to be true of Holmsted. My brother in law and I have spent quite a lot of time - while he was leading this very base - discussing George Bush and how we disagreed with him. We were both over the moon at the election of Obama. Recently we've been discussing Tony Benn in depth, and enjoying it, because he has some very wise things to say. And, to repeat: this community was led by him for five years.
Holy crap. Evangelical Christians who vote on the left. Who run communities which, from a distance, look like cults. And aren't.
Often I get the impression that left-wing newspapers in the UK have been so angry for so long about George Bush and the coalition which supported him that the lies of the American culture war have leeched their way into the way we understand our own culture. It's a bit odd to be a lefty (as I am) and a Christian who believes in the transformative power of God (which I do), and to live in a culture convinced that those two things are incompatible.
Not to say I'm not used to this - it's been a long 8 years, after all.
The dumb labels frustrate me, because they're always going to give descriptions that are laughably incomplete. And I've got a lot of respect for Mark Denton, not least because, as he says:
I started out from a very critical position – I’m a firm atheist and I was definitely critical in my own mind about what was going on in the community, about how people were being indoctrinated or brainwashed. But as the shooting commenced and as I got to know the students I was mixing with, the project shifted and became less about my opinion and more about their experience of the community and of the relationship between myself as photographer, and them. The photographs became evidence of a moment of shared trust between me and the sitter, and I became acutely conscious that these people were offering something of themselves to me and the camera. I’m drawn to situations and people where this possibility for connection exists. I love the ambivalence, the uncertainties and contradictions that are in some of those images.You've got to be honest, as an artist. So he went in, fair enough, thinking about making a polemic. And he came out having got to know some people, rather than some labels, because he was honest.
I don't mind him thinking that brainwashing was going on. He's wrong, but I can see how he'd arrive at the conclusion, based on a description, and fair enough. But any artist that goes and truly sees instead of making art out of his own confirmation bias is to be applauded. I think I'll go and have a look at that exhibition.
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You seem to imply there is something wrong if a babykilling abortion mill is burned or bomb. Which do you prefer, a pile of bricks or a pile of dead babies? Innocent unborn babies deserve to be protected just as born children deserve to be protected. You would have no problem protecting born children if they were about to be murdered.
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I don't think they get the same air time as their american counter parts and possible don't have the american loud mouthness digg hard enought cos we've got a smaller fish bowl theres less of them but them falwel types there somewhere.
I remember sitting in a meeting a few months into my year out, at the local YFC centre listen to a letter being read out by a team member written by relatives. Explaining how they had recieved prophetic confirmation that the irac war was the begining of the end times and that God was direct the hands of Bush and Blair and we should pray again hussein and for the US forces cos their battling the devil and protecting israel (the holy sand) from being attcked and that God would reward us blah blah blah blah blah. At the time my best freind and I who were both considered slightly reprobate (being leftist RATM, radiohead, no logo lovin young uns) could not contain our disgust at the bollocks we were hearing and was being aggreed with all around the room by people we respect and considered reasponsible.
theres some pretty ugly concervative christian forces fight culture wars over this side of the pond most of the time though it's only in fighting (see CofE and gafcon) Chris Sudgen seems to be a particulalry lovely fella who seems to pop up on the news to give the current archbishop a jab at any given op. Or the straight from the culture wars "Christian Institue"
I do, indeed, imply that. In fact, I'm flat-out saying it. Bombing things - using violence as a means of protest - is a remarkably dumb way of achieving what you want. It implies that you've got nothing to say, and that you don't care about human life, which as I understand it is the opposite of what you claim to believe.
I do not support abortion. I am anti- violence. Each for the same reason. Human life is too precious to be endangered, let alone taken. But I will never use violence in pursuit of my aims, because I've only ever seen violence beget violence.
This is not to state the obvious. How does acting with angry violence forward the kingdom of the Prince of Peace?
Already said the prayer, thanks - now I'm trying to live it. God bless.
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having watched too many documentarys about cults in the last few months i've been left feeling very uneasy about we might be called normal christian formative practice in youth work and would it get called conditioning if it wasn't a establish religion. futher more i've wondered about the ethics (this is me someone who worked for a youth focused evangelistic organisation for 7 years) of letting young people and teenagers make faith commitments so young. My current pet hate is the promise keepers thing but more than that is it taking advantage of young people to influence them in such a way when they are so impressionalbe. Maybe we should encourage them to question everything! including us?
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Can a young person really make a commitment for the rest of their lives, should we be asking them too - Maybe we could just encourage them to live as christians in the now to experience the reality of christ and live in that relationship rather than neccasirlly all this give your life to Jesus stuff.
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I'm possibly just a little bit mental myself though
Also, Matt - I've certainly heard about such things, but I've never heard them. So perhaps I've been lucky. I would have reacted the same way, but I hope that nowadays I would try to respectfully and prayerfully disagree, and argue the point.
It's difficult, though. I disagree passionately with a lot of what's said in the name of God (not least the good Rev. Bomberman above), but I have to try and find a way of disagreeing without saying to the other person that 'we share nothing and I will have no more to do with you'. Because like it or not, idiots though we are, we are the people of God, and we need grace.
I suppose I have to just pray to be more righteous, and so more gracious, than I am at the moment. It's a helluva task.
wow - this is a conversation that's going to be hard to follow. In response to your second comment...
I reckon there's no time in life when you're really able to make a decision about something as deep as faith without being influenced by the one who told it to you. And the argument would go that we're all formed by enough competing worldviews that don't have the good manners to wait until we're grownup, so why should Christianity be any different?
But that's just detaching myself from how I really feel about it - which is that Jesus is the mutt's nuts and I wouldn't swap my relationship with him, difficult though it has been, for anything in the world. I believe him to be real, and I want my kids to know him as well.
If Christianity was just a system of ethics, then we'd probably be better off waiting until our kids are grown to tell them about it. But it's not. It's a relationship with Christ. If I didn't tell my kids about him, it's be like not introducing them to my parents. He's such a formative influence in my life, how could I explain myself without explaining what he's done?
Again, it's the relationship thing that sits uneasily at the heart of this enormous religion. We make up an awful lot of crap, and I'd happily have my kids miss out on any given ritual. But I'd never prevent them from learning about and getting to know Jesus.
Dave, I came here from Jonny B's blog and have really enjoyed reading your thoughts.
I went to Holmstead once or twice on mission things when I was a kid. My parents took me not to be brainwashed but because they thought it would help me get the best out of life.
I did a similar program with YWAM's then sister organisation Mercy Ships when I was 18. Parts of it sucked and I kicked against much of it (like Matt I was very into RATM and the associated angst at the time). But I also had an undeniable encounter with Christ/God there that did set a course for the rest of my life (so far). I also encountered many Christians as oxymoronic as yourself.
I now run a similar Discipleship/Formation year at a local church in Sheffield and I relate to many of the tensions you mention. I also get fed up with lazy labels that would brand me as a nut.
Then again I recognise that my way of life is increasingly unusual and probably alarming to some. Still, that's one of the struggles of trying to work out a love relationship in the midst of an institutionalised religion.
Heh - I know precisely what you're talking about, there. I've recently started living in community (trying to do prayer/worship/generosity and all that easily-forgotten stuff) probably in a very irresponsible way, and it's kind of odd trying to explain that I'm weird, but in a good way.
Thanks so much for coming over, it's good to get new insights. I'm enjoying your blog, btw - the design's fantastic and I'm loving that Hugh Arthur Clough poem.
The course in question wouldn't be form, would it by any chance? I have some friends who've just finished that, and one who's on it this year.
Ben I suspect we may have some RATM appreciating and non-appreciating friends in common.
I must say that these thoughts aren’t meant to be in criticism of YWAM or this community. I really do think they do great things and offer fantastic opportunities to many and often provide the needed liminal experience that are the needed treatment to perpetuating the institutional faith and conditioned Christian belief. But it also might be important to listen to the critical observations of those outside Christendom, not just counter them off but be willing to be humble ourselves to them as the only opinions that have the ability of seeing us from the exterior rather than from the interior. That even in the most scathing there are often grains of truth that we may not be able see for ourselves.
For myself voices like RATM and Gandhi were instrumental in my own spiritual formation and shaped how i saw and new God that i couldn't have got from the environment that I was in even though often highly critical of Christianity.
Rev. Donald, I think the key bible verse here is Matthew 6:33, "seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well". We may want to see some end achieved, and that may be a good end, but at all times, we are to keep ourselves righteous and holy. God has forbidden us to kill, and that rule stands. He has not set us up as the judge of the abortion doctors, that role is his and his alone, and we are not to assign his work to ourselves by blowing them up.
G
Rev. Spitz,
I'd also like to respond to your comment. As G says above, God alone is sovereign, he alone has the power and authority to judge.
I just wanted to add that from the life, death and resurrection of Christ we have been set free from the law of sin and death, and we are living in God's grace poured out.
I don't believe that condoning or condemning is the issue... but more that we ask ourselves what we have done with the Son.
If we surrender our lives into his hands, then we also die to our own rights. Not to say that we don't stand up for injustice, because I absolutely believe that we should, without a shadow of a doubt...but more that if Jesus didn't come into the world to condemn, then neither should we.
I also believe that salvation is not ever forced on anyone, and a 'say this prayer' approach often only scares people away. Repentence must come from a desire to be forgiven, of course, but also out of a desperation to be reconciled with the Father. It must be properly understood, because God knows a fake. I can see where you're coming from, but ultimately - if we're all in the same place of dying to life so that others might live... then we might as well do it united, and in love.
In Jesus,
Bee
I've got to say, I feel the argument here about abortion is quite one sided here. It is true: Jesus is the prince of peace. but we seem to forget that he is a warrior, a terror that shakes the earth, the defender of the weak. And we are his body. I'm not supporting violence - I'm not sure where I stand on the issue yet. But i think I would rather see the army of God get warlike on issues like abortion than sit around calmly as we do right now. The current display of apathy definitely doesn't reflect Jesus' heart, warrior or peacemaker.
We forget the Jesus who took time to make a whip before using it to drive evil out of his temple. Every baby killed is a temple defiled and torn down. Like I said, I'm not pro violence, I'm just against pacifism.
Hello,
Umm so I am not trying to be hateful or anything but I am one of those Americans that was on the DTS that Mark photographed. I would like to say that yes Christians have been given a bad name but I don't think it is all just Americans. I do think that we American christians have contributed to that a lot.
Also I would like to say that there are some of us who want to make a difference and who all we want to do is just show people Gods love no matter what. I really dont care if someone has done something wrong God still loves them and so should we.
One last thing. I don't think God cares about all of this political crap. I think He just wants us to love his beloved his lost people. To show Him to them through our actions and words. We need to be more focused on loving people and and helping them than fighting about political matters
Just a few thoughts from a YWAMer that's from the States
Hi Hannah, thanks for commenting, it's great to have someone from Holmsted have a read.
I think I owe you an apology. I re-read this post when Paul put it on the Holmsted facebook page, and realised that it comes off as an assault on American Christianity, which it really wasn't meant to be. What it's really about is the importing of American political arguments to a British context - which isn't really very helpful, regardless of how useful those arguments are on their own merits.
I think I was imagining a primarily British audience, which was a stupid thing to do on the internet.
So now I've gone and said some dumb things about the states, and I'm really sorry because actually, I like America. I visited several states - East Coast, heartland, and West Coast - and was shown nothing but kind hospitality and great warmth by everyone I met. I think the American commitment to freedom of speech, justice for everyone and hope for a classless less society is wonderful.
I also think that, from where I"m sitting, a few of the arguments which have come to define public Christianity in the US are unhelpfully narrow. As you say, I don't think Jesus cares about the politics, I think he cares about the people. You're so right. What I saw, when I visited the States, was people caring about people, not about politics.
Which is good. I owe America a lot. And I'm a bit embarrassed, frankly, that this post didn't make that clear.
Thanks for reading, stick around and hopefully, there'll be more worthwhile stuff to read. God bless.
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